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Featured Switching from nopox to vodka

Discussion in 'Help and Advice' started by leopardshark, Dec 4, 2015.

  1. leopardshark

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    Hello there, I've been thinking of switching from nopox to vodka dosing, mainly because my nitrates have never ever got to 0 they've always remained about 10 ppm, and someone on here advised me that , actually they had better results from dosing vodka.

    No I am just wondering how would I make the transition, because I don't want my nitrates to go sky high and I don't want it affecting any of my corals?

    Is there a strategy that I could adopt where I can wean the nopox and implement the vodka dosage would that work?

    Please can someone (in the know taps nose ) please give me some advice thank you
     
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    There are some good articles on dosing vodka, I used to do it but do not anymore.
     
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    I did something similar but from KZ zeo to vodka. No idea if I did it the right way but I read up on vodka dosing and guesstimated my possible working dosage. I cut the zeostart (carbon source) by half and added half my guesstimated dose of vodka. I did that for a couple of weeks and then just flipped over to 100% vodka when the zeostart ran out. I monitored my nutrients quite closely for a while and it turned out I needed to up the dose of vodka quite a bit but I didn't get any issues at all during the transition. That being said at the time my tank was softies only, I couldn't get anything else to grow but that turned out to be a contamination from a faulty magnet housing on a Vortech.

    If I was to do it now I think I would do something similar but in say 10% steps rather than two 50% leaps.
     
  5. Reefitup

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    I would fade the nopox out slowly say 1/2ml a week and replace that with 1/2ml of vodka just keep an eye out for any bacteria bloom that make your tank look cloudy or cyano out brakes
     
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    So what's the best vodka??? To use ???
     
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    It doesn't really matter as long as it's not flavoured and is distilled. I use Smirnoff red label which I think is about 80% proff. Have a read of this just in case I miss something.Reefkeeping Online Magazine - Chemistry
     
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    So I got my vodka 37.9 vol

    Now I need to formulate a strategy
     
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    Smirnoff is 37.5 I think which is close enough. Just don't change things to quickly my friend and once your nitrate hits zero half the dose and that will be your maintenance dose
     
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    So I'm going to decrease nopox by 1 ml and start dosing Vodka at 0.5 ml that's until it hit 0.ppm when it dose I'll decrease nopox another ml
     
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    No fade out nopox slowly and what you take out in nopox replace that with vodka, I would swap out 1/2ml a week until you are only dosing vodka and keep an eye on your nitrates to see what they are doing if they're not at 0 then increase by 1/2ml of vodka a week until they do then half the total amount for your maintenance dose.i got up to 14ml of vodka a day in my 1000ltr aquarium until it hit 0 then halved that for my maintenance dose
     
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    To maintain ULNS I used to dose 2ml of zeostart every day (1000l tank), I need to dose 15ml of vodka to keep the same levels. Remember you already have a bacteria populated tank with the nopox, if you swap out equal volumes of nopox with vodka you'll likely get a die off which will mean less nutrient uptake.

    Just out of curiosity, have you tried upping the nopox a little to get your nutrients down? Far less chance of anything going wrong
     
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    Yeah but I'm at the maximum and the moment , I upped it and I seemed to have a reading on nitrite so .. I decreased it to 10 ml I have a 250 litre system roughly. So what I'm worried about is that 10 ml of nopox would equate to 2 ml of vodka ??????

    So I'm not sure if I should swap out 1 ml for 1 ml ???
     
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    Have you tried vodka dosing?
     
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    No I'm about too someone told me they had better results with it
     
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    Yes for the last 2 years
     
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    Vodka won't be any better than nopox or any other carbon source, just different. Nopox is more likely to sustain a multi species bacteria colony than vodka because it has more than one source of carbon in it. I've thought of using vodka, sugar and vinegar mix but to be honest I'm frightened of changing anything now. I wish I'd stuck with the KZ Zeo method, it was cheaper Hysterical
     
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    Oh so not worth switching ???
     
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    Sorry I read your message wrong. I do think vodka or vinegar is better for nitrate lowering as long as it's done slowly there won't be an issue
     
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    Read randy's article he is a chemist and a reef keeper. I think from the issue of nopox not lowering nitrate to a zero level speaks for it's self were I have reached 0 with vodka go figure
     
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