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Featured need help planning 6ft display, with sump

Discussion in 'Help and Advice' started by reefingmad, Aug 4, 2010.

  1. reefingmad

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    hi again, can someone help me on what sizes the chambers need to be on my sump design? as i havnt got the return pumps an not decided on what skimmer to get as using miricale mud but want some sort of skimmer aswel
     
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    heres the sump plan im gonna try copy
     

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    I would dedicate 50% to MM

    inlet is up to you this would give scope for equipment in the last compartment

    hard to give up skimming isn't it
     
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    OMG will it brew beer as well [devil2.gif]
     
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    haha i no, it looks very complex, as i said, only copying ideas. wanna make MM chamber as big as possible, an its very hard giving up skimmer, i habe a small skimmer now, v2 400, but dunno if to use that an put trust in MM or get bigger skimmer.... just incase!
     
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    I would not skim if it was my system. The effectiveness of running MM is reduced with a skimmer, as the two just compete with each other. The skimmer will remove most of the "goodies" that the mud puts in [sad.gif] Yes, I know that giving up skimming is hard, but think of it this way - loads of what your skimmer pulls out is food for corals and Phytoplankton, all things you usually would want to encourage. [wink.gif]

    Put in a compartment for a skimmer, possibly even put one into the compartment, but I'd only get a skimmer running if you genuinely think that there is a problem that it's needed to fix - coral spawning event maybe. Just because there is space for one, and one is installed don't mean it always has to be on [001_smile.gif]

    As for the sump plan, with a few simplifications (to remove the brewing features), that is an easily copyable plan that would work well. Remember, the KISS approach works best in most situations - another reason to ditch the skimmer [010.gif] =+
     
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    ok. I'll what should i loose on the sump plan? So if only using skimmer when needed, would i need a skimmer adequate for set up or smaller 1?
     
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    honestly with MM you dont need to skim

    as you are going to a larger system, all the DOC;s will be diluted anyway
     
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    so shal i just put the skimmer area the size of my v2 400 or to fit a bigger skimmer? Whats the cheapest material for bafflers?
     
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    If you are absolutely convinced on the need to skim your existing skimmer will be OK as the nutrient load is small with a MM system
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    Go DSB and buy a big skimmer rated at 2 x the volume of your new system
    or
    Go MM hedge your bets and have room for a big expensive skimmer, which is what I did but haven't skimmed ever!


    baffles glass is as cheap as it gets and fixes in place very easily acrylic or plastic wont always fix with silicone
     
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    you know what, im gonna put my faith in MM, see what happens an if need be, get skimmer later on, as not sure if can afford 1 at min, all the little things add up :) ill put a chamber in for skimmer just in case, sure will find use for it if skimmer not needed.

    going back to return pumps, what flow is needed for LPS? is 10x enough or more?
     
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    sump return 8 > 10 X
    Flow in Tank LPS 30X > SPS 30 > 50 X
     
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    right ok. Just checking. Some of plumbin parts just came..... They are BIG! Didnt expect 1.5" ball valves 2 be that big!
     
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    _))) _))) _))) _))) industrial looking aren't they
     
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    wow there huge! Never thought would b that big, glad didnt go wiv 2", would never hav got them through the door let alone under my tank haha
     
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    what sort of flow do i want going through the refugium? An what sort of lighting? What is best time pattern for the lights?
     
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    8 to 10 X for the flow

    Lights 24/7 is what I did it keeps the PH more stable
     
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    oh sorry. So flow through sump is same as the return, is thats quite fast over the fuge?
     
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    Thats the recommended flow for MM
     
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    just read fieldy thread. Would you recommend hosing for the return, does it make it quieter? Wont be happy unless my system is silent!
     
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