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damo666

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Hi everyone. Damian, commonly known as Damo, decided a few weeks ago to dip my toe in the salty stuff after years of various freshwater set ups :clap:
Kept them since a kid. Best set up I did was 2008 had a 350 litre discus tank, fully planted, co2 etc, and managed plenty of spawns but sadly never had much luck raising fry, think I worked too much and couldn't give the time needed. Epilepsy came along 2009 and put an end to any tanks after crashing through a mirror, the voice of logic from the wife forced the sale of that relatively new set up. So, 2013 got back into fish when controlled but Juwel Rio 190 has never been ideal though looked great when fully planted again. To be honest I lost interest in it as the step back from discus meant it just never demanded the attention, pretty much ticked along great with fortnightly changes.
Thought long and hard about what to do, new room layout based around the corner tank with matching furniture means no way, for now lol, is her indoors gonna change it!! So, decided to give a small reef tank a go to gain experience before spending on a dedicated set up with sump etc. I'll win her over to a change in the summer, as she loves the couple of fish introduced so far.
Now, fully aware of the tank not being ideal, but I believe I've made the best of it. 35kg live rock, wavemaker with 2 pumps 2 led T5 white marine and a blue actinic. Pro 350 takes care of the filtration and as I have no room for a skimmer for now I have a small surface skimmer.
All is going well 6 weeks in, a couple Banggai cardinals common clown a narky little azure damsel. Problem I'm having is there doesn't seem to be hard and fast rules and lots of conflicting advice.
Lighting times is one. I've read about the dreaded algae blooms that can happen and really there's no great need for light as fish only at the moment. However, isn't it best to have a reasonable photo period now, go through this algae problem, which I'm not seeing, rather than increasing it when I introduce the soft corals and suffer it then? Water changes are another. What I've read varies from 10-50% weekly. 50% is a ridiculous figure unless in an emergency situation. My planned regime is 15% every sunday and twice as much testing whilst this tank is building, certainly for the next 3-4 months anyway.
One last point I'll raise for now is the Red Sea Coral Pro salt I'm using. It says to mix vigorously, which makes sense, but says not to mix for more than 4 hours? I mix mine in a 25 litre bucket then drop in a heater and small power head and leave over night to come up to temperature, Does that constitute mixing?? Asked the retailer who told me I had read the instructions wrong. The baffled look on his face and shoulder shrug was priceless when he read it....DOH lol.
thanks for looking in, no doubt I'll be drawing on all your knowledge so watch out. Hysterical
 

CEECH

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:sign0016: to the forum there a friendly bunch on here :) Ask as many questions as you can come up with in the help and advise section on my signature. Also it would be good for you to make a tank thread so we can follow your progress and you can list off your tank and equipment so people know exactly how to help you :)
 

damo666

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Thanks guys, nice of you all to be so welcoming. I'll sort that thread Ceech, looking forward to getting involved
 

merser

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Not sure how you can over mix water?! It will be mixed for a hell of a lot longer than 24 hours once in your tank! I mix for about 20mins [emoji23][emoji23] I do use a different salt though which doesn't need so much mixing.

Personally I think that nutrient levels (food for the algae) are what require control rather than light. Though I appreciate light is also sort of food. So I wouldn't worry so much about photo period though I would get it established to where you'll want it anyway. It's just one more consistency. Again, personally, I believe the majority of folk have faaaar to long a photo period. But that's just me.

Welcome.

Jamie.


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Eaval

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Welcome to the forum.

The restriction on the mixing is due to the elevated levels within the salt. It will plate out on everything if you mix it too long. Doesnt happen intank as levels arent as high generally
 

warby

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welcome to tsb. sounds good so far have you started a tank diary to keep track of your progress?

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merser

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Welcome to the forum.

The restriction on the mixing is due to the elevated levels within the salt. It will plate out on everything if you mix it too long. Doesnt happen intank as levels arent as high generally

Well I didn't know that! Every day is a school day. What do you mean by 'plate out'

Jamie


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CEECH

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Well I didn't know that! Every day is a school day. What do you mean by 'plate out'

Jamie


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Jamie i had the same thinking until i read up about it lol i said surly it must be the same as flying around the tank through the pumps lol
 

Eaval

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By plate out I mean you get deposits on EVERYTHING in your salt mix bucket. Very gritty and annoying.

Doesnt happen in your tank as the levels are disolved down, plus there is alot of surface area in your live rock and sand bed compared to a empty mixing bucket!
 

merser

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Just been talking to some mates about it. Something to do with plaster in the salt to stop it turning to rock. From what I can tell it still occurs in the the tank though. Just less obvious.


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Bluez_01

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Welcome to TSB, sorry its a late welcome but I have been ubber busy as of late, some salts are higher in content than others, to state the obvious really, plating can often be seen in the high end salts some tend to use in sps tanks, more so with a heater when mixing salt up, like Eaval said, if left too long in a tub mixing at the right temp then over time things like calcium will stick and cover the entire tub, pump and heater (if you have one in it), of course the other chems also stick to this build up, Mag, trace elements, etc... many of us have had the situation when our pumps in the tank stop working, and when taken to bits, there is always normally one culprit, calcium build up on the shaft that basically welds it solid, after removing this they tend to work ok again for awhile and over time the same thing happens again.

To minimise this effect in the mixing tub, I recommend NOT using a heater, but just a pump to circulate it, it takes roughly an hour or two to completely mix, and reduces down the plating effect considerably, as for the rest of the questions I would suggest you put them in a new thread in the help and advice section, as your welcome post could turn in to a 10+ page thread.... Hysterical
 
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