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Clearwater's tank New Video December 2011 26 Months without skimming

Clearwater

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Let the test begin

The long awaited test aquarium magic arrived yesterday Big Thumbs Up
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I am testing this on my existing system which comprises of

Main Display 64" x 24" x 30" deep
DSB 4"
60 Kg Live Rock

Lighting is

3 x 150 W MH BLV 10,00K plus 6 PL compact blues

Salt
Tropic Marin Bio Active, normally do 50 Ltrs once every 2/3 week which is standard for me, (if the tank looks good I wont change any water during the test)

Sump 54" x 20" x 20 "
40 Lbs of MM
Cheato and Grape Algae lit 24/7 with 2 x T5 Arcadia 14,000 K tubes 2years old

Sump first section

20 kg Coral sand which the 2 x dorso returns flow

2nd section MM + Algae

3rd section empty bar a heater

4th section return pumps

Ca Reactor currently off line waiting for a spare part this will remain in use

Eheim Ecco canister filter with Activated Carbon (this will be taken off line)
feeding 500 grams of RowaPhos in a reactor (this will be taken off line)

Evaporation top up is done with RO and an Aqua Medic peri pump

Today's Parameters 02/03/2011

PH 7.8 Lights out
KH 6.4 Ca reactor off line need to get some buffer
Mg 1420
Ca 440
PO4 0
No3 0.2
K 390
SG 1.026
Temp 25.4

Water test will be done at one week intervals

So far I added

10 grams of Vital Coral Element
10 grams of Coral additive
20 grams Bactofitler 1
20 grams Bactofilter 2

These are the recommended dosages for my volume approx 1000 Ltrs
the coral foods are at the lower recommended dose as I don't have masses of corals in the tank yet

just after the 1st Coral feed
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at the weekend I will add Pictures of the corals for reference to this thread, they are of course in my tank thread anyway

One change I will make is the lighting is to be upgraded
my PAR values are too low for the depth of tank the highest placed coral is the Histrix which receives 120 PAR

an Arcadia OT LED 6 x 80 w T5 and 32 LED's is on order

Feeding

4 cubes of washed frozen food per day all kinds of foods I switch frequently

ad hock New Era Flake, aqua labs Reef Pellets, and Nori for the tangs
Phytoplankton daily into the sump
1.5 ML of Vodka this has now been stopped

all's well today Big Thumbs Up

This is my main intrest in this product
Tested on an established reef. Watching in anticipation. :-d

Me too, I'm looking forward to this product, seems to be getting good press so far :)

will be starting our test on the rr94 very soon. will do no water changes unless something look wrong ;)

What benefits are you hoping to see mate as your nitrates are near 0 anyway?

No skimmer and no water changes apparently

But it won't replace trace elements or dilute elevated levels with no water changes?

No skimmer and no water changes apparently


I believe, that the no more water changes is being dropped from the marketing. When I get my experiment up and going, I am aiming for one water change per month, unless levels / stock are suffering then will up it to 2 per month.

What benefits are you hoping to see mate as your nitrates are near 0 anyway?


As you say I have a low nutrient system already

what I am hoping for is

I don't need to change 50% of the MM in October a saving
less glass cleaning every 2 or 3 days at the moment
better polyp extension on corals
better colour of corals
increased growth of corals
Cleaner DSB surface
no need for RowaPhoss or Activated Carbon a saving
No Vodka, at least for the tank LOL a saving
No ZeoBak, I was using 3 drops a week a saving
Eco Filter off line no power a saving
Will be interested if the PH comes up above 8 never has in 15 months without loads of buffer and drop right back so I left it, it was stable.

One of the Goniporas looks very sad, this may be too much to ask for it to recover

The new lights should also help when they finally arrive due to increased PAR

water change wise I may do 50 Ltrs once a month, which is 5% of volume very minimal, in line with the latest information

if it looks good being lazy I will not bother with the water change.:-d

since the return pipes flow through 20Kg of coral sand I expect that, in combination with the MM and DSB should give sufficient surface area for the bacteria to colonise and do there thing :smile:

I didn't get much clouding of the Water when pouring in the bacteria, it was introduced directly to the coral sand where the dorso returns are
section 1 of the sump

There was a lot of clouding with the coral food. and good polyp extension on the LPS corals

Coral feeding was done just before the Halides went out so
full light 20 mins,
blues 1 hour
and then lights out to maximise the potential for the corals to feed

But it won't replace trace elements or dilute elevated levels with no water changes?


One of the sachets has replacement minerals for corals "trace elements"

What do you think needs diluting?

Lights are on and the water looks crystal clear after the bacteria feed

The kind of clear you get after putting in Activated Carbon and new filter floss Big Thumbs Up

I have been advised to leave the RowaPhos on line the bacteria are predominately to boost the nitrogen cycle

(hence the special significance for new tank cycling)

looks like the Cheato will keep growing in the sump
which I was concerned about, as I like all the POD life getting washed back into the tank Big Thumbs Up

One of the sachets has replacement minerals for corals "trace elements"

What do you think needs diluting?
elevated trace elements that the corals dont use perhaps.

elevated trace elements that the corals dont use perhaps.

I think most are used and a lot of the minor one are so low it makes little difference

any way the advise has changed to very few water changes

i will see how it goes :cool:

So have things changed again with this so that now you have to water change AND run rowaphos ?

Seems to be doing less and less with every test at the minute.

So have things changed again with this so that now you have to water change AND run rowaphos ?

Seems to be doing less and less with every test at the minute.

No MinerWilly, we never stated it removed Phosphates, and the product does allow tank owners to stop water changes but after a lot of feedback; most would like to carry on doing water changes, just less frequent.

Results will be less visible on a well established tank like Clearwaters as there are no problems with his perimeters.

This is why he will be using the product once a week and reporting on development with the coral products and the impact they have on coral growth and colour etc.

Thanks

Cheers for the reply. What does this offer to an established tank that other existing products don't then or that even proper feeding doesn't ?

It's labelled as the most revolutionary product in 20 yrs, other products exist that use dormant bacterial starter cultures etc or the introduction of certain bacteria to alter the balance in a tank ?

I'm not knocking it, seems to do the quick cycle as well as other products for example, just trying to understand what it's bringing to the table if the blurb is taken at face value (with the exception of the water change situation which has already been removed).

So have things changed again with this so that now you have to water change AND run rowaphos ?

Seems to be doing less and less with every test at the minute.


We had the discussion on my thread about the 're-wording' of the no more water changes slogan

And as above, no-one ever claimed or tried to test the product as an effective po4 remover.

So in answer to your question - No it still does the same as it did on the last trial :whistling:

Which would still seem to be nothing revolutionary looking at other existing products ?

Which would still seem to be nothing revolutionary looking at other existing products ?


Before we make judgements lets see how the trials go on the different tanks

being lazy I probably won't do water changes :biggrin:

lets see what happens, at the weekend I will post images of the tank and corals so everyone can see a before and after

my tank will probably benefit more from the coral food and supplements as I don't have high organics to begin with.

it will be interesting to see if the Nitrate are lower than before and if this means more frequent RowaPhos changes due to the bacterial activity being linked to the Redfield ratio

C= 116 N= 16 P= 1

less nitrates may inhibit Po4 consumption

we all have loads of questions that why we are doing the tests :rolleyes:

Before we make judgements lets see how the trials go on the different tanks

being lazy I probably won't do water changes :biggrin:

lets see what happens, at the weekend I will post images of the tank and corals so everyone can see a before and after

my tank will probably benefit more from the coral food and supplements as I don't have high organics to begin with.

it will be interesting to see if the Nitrate are lower than before and if this means more frequent RowaPhos changes due to the bacterial activity being linked to the Redfield ratio

C= 116 N= 16 P= 1

less nitrates may inhibit Po4 consumption

we all have loads of questions that why we are doing the tests :rolleyes:

Agree 100% mate.

The Redfield ratio is interesting, I know with the pearls people are trying to do things like use ceramic rings to actually increase nitrate levels to try to keep phosphates coming down.

The Redfield ratio is interesting, I know with the pearls people are trying to do things like use ceramic rings to actually increase nitrate levels to try to keep phosphates coming down.

From my experience of the Pearls, you don't have to do anything, they just work.

No Rowa, No ceramic rings, No cheato - Phosphates @ 0.015 with 5 pinches of flake and 3 frozen cubes (unwashed) a day at the moment. Nitrates undetectable. ish (see further explanation further in thread)

Gary - the bio stuff, did you mix it in water then pour it in?

I just spooned it in mine. :eek:

They do work Ged but some people are trying to get zero phosphates which won't happen with just the pearls as Clearwater has said.

They do work Ged but some people are trying to get zero phosphates which won't happen with just the pearls as Clearwater has said.

My understanding is, that you need (or the tank does) some Nitrates and some Phosphates, my results so far I would say that they can be achieved without anything else required, if using Pearls. But then again that is a completely different product to Aquarium Magic and probably best in a different thread.

I agree with the different thread, but you posted originally that you've got zero nitrates and some phosphates with the pearls which contradicts what you've just said ?

Gary - the bio stuff, did you mix it in water then pour it in?

I just spooned it in mine. :eek:

Because my Bacteria dose was 2 x 20 grams
I mixed it in a pint of tank water, which was poured on the top of the 20kg of coral sand 1 stage of the sump

The coral food and supplement I also mixed in water the same way but poured directly into the tank 2 x 10 grams

Though you can't overdose my coral density isn't very high

When the new lights come I will be looking for loads of SPS frags

Weekend I hope to pick up some more live rock in preparation

I agree with the different thread, but you posted originally that you've got zero nitrates and some phosphates with the pearls which contradicts what you've just said ?

Sorry I should be a little more specific. On my test kit, the yellow means, zero to 5 nitrates. I class that as zero (as it cannto really go any different colour for yellow) as if higher then the colour would change to orange. But as long as the result is yellow, I know the Pearls are working. :whistling:

Some Phosphates at 0.015 is pretty much as good as it gets, especially when initially, they were at 0.08 and I was worried on first using the Pearls.

If you get a Salifert test kit next time you can measure down to 0.2 nitrate
A very faint pink and zero clear No3

If you get a Salifert test kit next time you can measure down to 0.2 nitrate
A very faint pink and zero clear No3

On a salifert the water was clear mate. So it is zero then. Either way I know they are working etc and the Phosphates for me are nothing to worry about.

Sorry about your thread Gary. :whistling:

The Redfield ratio is interesting, I know with the pearls people are trying to do things like use ceramic rings to actually increase nitrate levels to try to keep phosphates coming down.


Ok lets look at what this means

116:16:1 is the ratio

if the organics in the tank are not in this exact ratio
which is well nigh impossible you will always have a residue most likely PO4 as we know better how the nitrogen cycle works

I should also add that KH will also drop as this is used in the process

The ULNS systems using Probiotics

Zeo, Prodibio, Ultra Lith NeoZeo, System Reef Pearls etc all work in the same way

116 parts Carbon (phytoplankton in the ocean)
16 Parts Nitrate
1 Part Phosphate
Carbonate hardness

feed bacteria, if in perfect balance you will have zero organic waste in your system

in reality there will be something left in an enclosed system

Zeo Coral Snow for example has PO4 in it so if your tank has high Nitrate the snow will drive down the Nitrate by balancing out the feeding requirement of the bacteria

so what else do you need

a large surface area for the bacteria to grow, fluidising Pearls or Zeolith
DSB, MM Fluidised sand will all help make this more efficient

for further reading Coral Magazine sept/oct 2010 has an article

Probiotics Demystified which also explains home made solutions like Sugar Vinegar Vodka for carbon feeding

LINK

Probiotics Demystified | Coral Magazine

little bit off topic, but do not like the idea of no water changes :eek:
where would that leave the AWC :dft004:

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Update

second dose yesterday
20 grams Bak 1
20 grams Bak 2
10 grams Coral food
10 grams Coral Trace

I have left the RowaPhos on line as This Aquarium Magic product
isn't aimed at PO4

No Vodka
No Water Change
No Zeo Bak
Fish fed as before
Phytoplancton as before
no other coral food or additives

also

Added 23 Kg of live rock yesterday from Paul Scott as a step towards
a load of SPS frage to take advantage of the Aquarium Magic and The New Lights that are on order

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I was expecting some kind of spike 23Kg is a lot to put in all at once

Nitrates went up 5 X :eek:













LOL it's not so bad though

Test results
PH 7.8 before lights came on
KH 11.2 a big rise amazed how fast its come back up following putting the reactor back on line, thank goodness corals are not reacting
Mg 1440 + 20
Ca 445 + 5
PO4 0 =
No3 1 +0.8
K 390 =
SG 1.0255 - 0.0005
Temp 25.3 - 0.1



Tank Images for reference later

Hammer is expanding even in low light areas similar to using KZ AA LPS PAR 60 Top PAR 45 Base
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Histrix this is illuminated at PAR 120
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LHS
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RHS with 23 Kg new Live Rock with plate for Acro Garden
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Oxipora which has done nothing and Aussie Red Chalice which grows slowly PAR 60
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Nice Polyp extension when the Coral food goes in PAR 60
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Galaxia PAR 50 seeing more stinging cells out
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Plating Montipora, show stings from the expanding Hammer :w00t: PAR 60
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DSB sand is staying cleaner and water is sparkling
as said before the water looks like its being polished
still cleaning the glass as before, but early days

I noticed that as well, water looked very polished after the dose had cleared Big Thumbs Up

Ok did a NO3 test today
and its no better may be a little more than 1 now defiantly not 1.5 > 2 PPM

so I have added

20 spoons of both BAK 1 AND BAK 2
since you can over dose shouldn't be an issue

still think its the 23 kg of live rock that pushed it up from 0.2 ppm

I will dose again at the weekend and post full test results

Tank wise it looks cleaner somehow, but still cleaning the glass as before every 2/3 days

Yesterday

20grams of each Coral 1 & 2 very big Polyp extension all LPS,
the Angels thought it was good as well :eek: will have to feed under blue's
just before lights out.

Today added

20grams Bak 1 and Bak 2

will post all perams after tomorrows tests

general view is the tank looks very clean, the new live rock is still looking very white little growth on the DSB

Tank Tests Update 14-03-11

PH 7.8 same
KH 13.2 up 2
Mg 1460 up 20
Ca 460 up 15
Po4 0 same
No3 0.5 down 0.5

Ca reactor has been turned down as consumption is less than the buffering

Tank looks fine no issues to report

No3 now coming down I will dose again Saturday all 4 sachets

update 21-03-11

20 grams Bac 1 and Bac 2 added 19-03-11
10 grams Coral Elements and Coral Food added 20-03-11

Been a bit busy so only read Po4 and No3

Po4 0,02 on D&D RowaPhos replaced, normally I would add activated Carbon to the canister filter driving the reactor at this time, this I have not done for the purposes of the trail

No3 1 ppm higher than I would like but by no means a problem (Salifert)

due to the No3 I have added 20 grams Bac 1 and 2 tonight

Observations

Glass was getting a green film after 3 days which is consistent with the elevated Po4 (I expect not to be able to read Po4 on D&D)

Nitrate creeping up from 0.5 to 1 it is extremely hard to be sure the exact reading at these low levels, hence the extra dose today

But heres the rub................

Blue Tipped Staghorn Acro to growing faster and the tips are a deeper colour
also observed on the Green Tipped Acro

Yellow plating Montipora which had become pale green is turning yellow again, growth is also improved

all other corals showing more vitality including the Red Goni

bizarrely The Green Goni continues to decline

Perhaps ..........:whistling:

The Aquarium Magic is binding DOC in the water and its helping the corals
or maybe its the Coral Elements and Coral Food

what ever the reason the tank continues to improve

cant wait for the new lights :-d

Update 22-03-11

Cropped the Algae today there was a surge in growth as the PO4 rose

Fed 10 grams of the two Coral supplements

and did the rest of the tests

Mg 1560
Ca 460
KH 12,8
PH 7.9
SG 1.025

looks like I need to turn down the Ca reactor a little more

Video so you can see how the tank is looking

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Test results from today 26-03-11

Mg 1500
Ca 460
dKH 14.5
PH 7.9
Po4 0
NO3 0.5
Sg 1.0255

New lights should be here next week so I will post new images then

No Water Changes
No Vodka

Just the additives
Today

Bac 1 and Bac 2 20 grammes
Coral elements and coral food 10 grams

Can you sum up what you think of it up to this point? Thanks

Can you sum up what you think of it up to this point? Thanks


Not much change in N03 and PO4

suspect organics I can't measure are diminished as the corals are gaining stronger colour
and the plating Montipora is going back to Yellow from Pale green, Yellow is a very had colour to maintain

The coral food creates good polyp extension and without the bacterial bloom I saw on the sand with AA LPS from Zeo

Tank generally looks cleaner, very hard to define basically no detritus
water crystal clear esp. after a dose of Bac 1 + 2

Aquarium Magic is easy to use and suits a busy lifestyle


looking forward to seeing what the new lights do, hopefully the Histrix goes from Red to Pink, you can clearly see the coral looks happy in the Video

Latest Results

Dosed Friday and Sunday this week

20 Grams Bac 1&2 each time and 10 grams Coral Elements and Food each time

Sg 1.026
Po4 0
No3 0.5
dKH 13
Mg 1425
Ca 490
Ph 7.8

Tank still looking very clean, but also cleaning the glass just like before the Aquarium Magic
which isn't what the other testers find, not that this was ever promised :cool:
However the surface of the DSB is the cleanest its ever been since set up :lol:

So I will dose the Bac again tonight as I am away a few days now and see what the glass looks like on my return :biggrin:

any ideas on the cost of this yet ?

any ideas on the cost of this yet ?


Nope no information on that

you could ask on the aquatics link?

Todays results 09-04-11

Mg 1470
Ca 455
dKH 12.2
PH 7.9
Sg 1.0255
No3 0.5
Po4 0

dosing this week

20 grams of Bac 1 & 2 every 2 days Sat-Mon-Wed-Fri

this was to see if the glass would stay clean and the No3 drop to undetectable

There has been no effect on the No3 which may be because the Po4 is 0
if we follow the Redfield ratio I would need a Po4 of 0.03 to get both down


I will now not clean the glass for 7 days to see what happens normally a lot of Algae which I see quite a bit with working away a lot

DSB in the display is fantastically clean, with no discolouration at all

Coral Food and Trace Eliments added 10 grams of each Sat and Friday

Corals are looking healthy
except the Green Goniopora has faded away and the Red isn't looking as good
as before so upped the Phytoplankton dose which is daily

New new lights also arrived this week :clap:

Hopefully the corals respond positively to the new lights
and I will be chasing Screwlose WorshipWorshipWorship for Frags over Easter

Aquarium Magic dose will revert to 20 grams Bak 1&2 per week and 10 grams of both the coral supplements

Water looks crystal clear

no water changes have taken place
no activated carbon in the system

filtration is

DSB
MM sump with Cheato and Grape Algae lit 24/7
RowaPhos reactor

I have no skimmer

Todays Results 18/04/11

Back from Holiday, the first thing I noticed was how much cleaner the glass was post Holiday, without being cleaned for 8 days, yes it needed cleaning
but about 30% of the Algae growth before using Aquarium Magic

The Blue tipped Staghorn Acro stands out you can see the extra vibrancy of the colour even the other half commented, the green Acro is changing colour a little early to say what towards certainly paler tips and body noticeable growth.
may be going a kind of mix of turquoise and violet

In fact everything looks to to growing and with stronger colours

Montipora, growth both for the yellow/green plate and the orange branching
is becoming very much faster.

Branching Touch has new heads and is colouring up pale green in the margins of the heads, no new heads on the duncan but certainly better PE

The Rose Bubble Tip Nem has split, so I shall have to sell one, from experience they start going walk about

Test results

Sg 1.025 ( I have re-calibrated so would have been 1.0255)
No3 0.2 Big Thumbs Up this was unexpected
Po4 0
Ca 445
Mg 1465
dKh 11.3
Ph 7.8

as the Mg Ca and dKh have been slowly falling the Ca reactor has had the Ph meter set 0.1 lower hopefully the readings are the same next week

looking good dude :)

as said previously most coral take a while to adapt to new changes to system, lights, nutrient levels...etc

just post in Bri's thread pretty much the same, once water params are stable,, and constant it will slowly improve week by week. you may not notice it at first.

take plenty of pics day after new frags are in, then take pictrures every week :)

Todays Parameters

dKH 12.5 up 1.2
Ca 455 =
Mg 1395 down 70 :eek: may be a rogue test
Ph 7.8 =
P04 0.03 + 0.03 need some rowaphos
No4 0.2 =

also added 8 frags from Nev all look OK only the candy cane is unhappy
which I will post up for reference once the tank clears from the Aquarium Magic dose I put in

Temp 26.4 just be for the lights came on today that is 1 C above normal

NewFrags
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Favia recovering from being munched
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Histrix, frag from Screwlose last year Tri Colour not pink ??????????
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The 1st picture looks like Brian from the magic roundabout lol

The 1st picture looks like Brian from the magic roundabout lol

That is Brian :eek:

This mornings Tests
PH 7.7 was a bit early no lights 8:00 am
Mg 1410 + 15
Ca 450 - 0.5
dKH 11.2 - 1.3
No3 0.2 =
Po4 0
Sg 1.025 - 0.005

Po4 was -0.06 from last night
it had risen to 0.06 whilst I was waiting for the Rowa Bulk buy 1Kg nicely fluidising now, no effect on the corals from the rise but a little bit of cyno in the sump

Corals all look happy, good growth on the established corals, with some signs of growth on some of the new frags, bit early to photograph yet

over all happy with how its going

thinking about the dKH and PH is I should buffer to restore ionic balance
dKK should be 12.5 and the PH is declining very slightly

I haven't done a water changes, since Feb
perhaps its time to restart

considering 50 Ltr water changes per week now 5%
or should I buffer the PH

Opinions :whistling:

Had a discussion with Richard at iQuatics
I will start Ph buffering The top up water at the weekend
And so stick with no water changes

Stock looks happy , no-yellowing of the water, colours and growth of the corals are improving, of course the more powerful OT2 Led lights are helping

An encrusting Montipora which looked a drab brown / green
Is becoming yellow with blue polyps extending for the first time this morning under blues

It's done nothing under the old lights for months

Will try a post a picture at the weekend

Bought the PH+ Buffer this morning, a product from Brightwell Aquatics which is designed to increase PH without Alkalinity :smile:

Brightwell Aquatics - pH+

the dose is in USG so worked out my system is 172 USG
Dose is 0.5 Ml per 20 USG/day to raise PH 0.2 which is the max recommended my dose should be 43ML/day :rolleyes:

The system PH has been coming down very slowly now 7.7 before the lights come on and 7.9 at the end of the photoperiod :whistling:



I decided to use 100 ML but de-solved into the Top up water which should take 4 days to work through, PH should be 8.2 > 8.4 after the buffering :thumbup1:

I will take a reading tomorrow if its coming up too fast i.e more than 0.2
I can easily add RO to the top up water and slow down the buffering
which wouldn't be possible if its just pored in the tank :-d

Gary, why did you raise the pH - That is pretty much the same results as Pete's. Let us know if you see any differences etc?

In the last 24 hours the lowest for mine was 7.71 and the highest 8.0

Gary, why did you raise the pH - That is pretty much the same results as Pete's. Let us know if you see any differences etc?

In the last 24 hours the lowest for mine was 7.71 and the highest 8.0

Hi Ged

The PH has been coming down very slowly, unlike Pete I haven't been doing any water changes since starting the trial

at 7.8 to 8.0 I wasn't worried, but now its below 8.0 all the time I thought better to buffer up the PH a little,
the Ca reactor will be causing some of the drop and bacterial action the rest

will be interesting to see if :whistling:

A Ph goes to the level calculated
B Ph remains over 8.0
C Ph just falls back to the 7.7 to 7.9 range
D What effect if any on the corals

Todays results 15-05-11

General observations

Red Goni looks like its in decline?
Candy Cane still sulking

all the other corals are growing and colouring up nicely

water tests

Ph 7.8 + 0.1 pre lights
dKh 11.0 - 0.2
Ca 475 + 25
Mg 1420 + 10
No3 0.2 =
Po4 0.06 ??? going to test again looks wrong 1 kg rowa last week :w00t: test tubs are soaking in RO water
K 380 havent tested this for a while
Sg 1.0255 +0.0005

Aquarium magic feeding

weekly

20 spoons Bac 1 and Bac 2
20 spoons Coral Elements
10 spoons Coral food

Re tested Po4 only a trace of yellow on the D&D kit now so
must have been contaminated tubes very low reading 0.0015 ish :clap:

PH hasn't moved two days of buffering :whistling:

i will resist the temptation to increase the dose, slowly does it :wink:

Mini update

Been working away this week, 112 ML of the buffer has been dosed now and the PH is around 7.8, added an extra 100 ML to the RO top up water

not sure whats happening here?

the dose I have been using should raise the Ph by 0.1 per day

thinking about making the bottle holding the coral sand bigger the Ca effluent runs through, I guess the Ca reactor will slow the PH rise as the unit is monitored by Ph meter as the tank Ph rises the Co2 in the reactor will dose more

Tank looks fine Candy Canes are opening a bit more

RBT Nem may have split into 3 so I need to sell one at least

Test update 30-05-11

Today's results

Ph 7.9 disappointing not really moved more later on this
dKH 14.8
PO4 0.03 ish may be less
NO4 0 first time for months can measure anything
Ca 465
Mg 1470

after using the Brightwell PH buffer nothing really happened the tank just consumed the buffer

Switched to Sachem PH builder 5 heaped teaspoons in the top up RO

Ph still has not moved, but the dKH is up 2.3 over 4 days

I have diluted the top up water by 50% so the buffer has less effect

so drawn a complete blank for Ph :w00t:

looks like I will have to settle for 7.8> 7.9 as I don't want to keep raising the dKH

Corals all look good, except the Red Goniopora

best result so far is an encrusting Montiopra which has Blue and Yellow Polyps which I cant get a good image of.

20 spoons Bac 1 and Bac 2
20 spoons Coral Elements
10 spoons Coral food

I have also been feeding newly hatched brine shrimp, rotifers, frozen oyster eggs and Phyto
to see if It makes any difference to the Goniopora so far nothing

4 to 6 cubes of washed frozen food, a mix of different foods what ever is in the shop for maximum nutritional spread for the fish

Haven't Tested for 3 weeks as the readings have been very stable so gave it a rest

Latest results 19-06-2011

Po4 = 0............D&D
No3 = 0.2.........Salifert
Ca = 450.........Salifert
Mg =1440........Salifert
dKH= 11.8.......Salifert
Ph = 7.8........Salifert before lights came on

Every thing looks healthy except the Red Goniopora which is still in decline

Noticed today that my Fungia is having baby's looks like 4 of them
which is surprising since the Polyps seldom come out, but them i don't target feed either

added some new corals and sold one of the flame nems

pics will be up later in the main tank thread

Is this product anywhere near being marketed?

It's been 6 months since Iquatics started to spread the info about it and no further progress?

So yeah it's been years in beta testing (3 or 4 if I remember correctly? Someone correct me on this) and now another 6 months?

Is this product anywhere near being marketed?

It's been 6 months since Iquatics started to spread the info about it and no further progress?

So yeah it's been years in beta testing (3 or 4 if I remember correctly? Someone correct me on this) and now another 6 months?


I don't have any info on that sorry :whistling:

but I ave mailed iQuatics for an update

Sweeto.

Wasn't meant to sound as negative as it came out - as I appreciate you can't just give out a sample, and expect people to rave about it after only using it for a couple of weeks/months...

However, it has all gone a little quiet...

Sweeto.

Wasn't meant to sound as negative as it came out - as I appreciate you can't just give out a sample, and expect people to rave about it after only using it for a couple of weeks/months...

However, it has all gone a little quiet...

Sure but I have been testing for 3 months, which isnt that long

so far does what it say's on the tin

Healthy Corals
Crystal Clear water ( at least till the Blue Cheek Goby Digs LOL )
Much less Detritus on the Live Rock
Coral Sand has never been cleaner since the Tank was set up

No water changes
no Activated Carbon
no skimming

Just using the four products provided

here is a Video

what do you think?

YouTube - ‪Mirical Mud Tank after 19 months‬‏

Certainly impressive and I for one don't doubt its ability. That green Monti is a stunner and did I notice a couple of stylos as well?

I have a lobo very similar to that one bottom left. Looks epic under blues - you wait til yours fills out.

Very nice!

Have you had to dose ca and mg (and trace for that matter) etc?

Or is it really such a magic bullet?

Certainly impressive and I for one don't doubt its ability. That green Monti is a stunner and did I notice a couple of stylos as well?

I have a lobo very similar to that one bottom left. Looks epic under blues - you wait til yours fills out.

Very nice!

Have you had to dose ca and mg (and trace for that matter) etc?

Or is it really such a magic bullet?

The Monti was a 1" Frag about 15 months ago
The Lobo is new, and yes it looks under the weather but the Pink one has done fine so fingers crossed

I run a Ca Reactor which takes care of most minerals

The Organic side of coral nutrition is from the Food and Mineral supplements

Coral Elements and Coral Food

Looking good pal. The tank looks very very clear. Would you put that down to the Iquatics product?

Looking good pal. The tank looks very very clear. Would you put that down to the Iquatics product?


Yes Chris I would :thumbup1:

The Tank is generally looking cleaner, Rocks and Sand in particular
The water sparkles in the mornings,

till the Goby starts digging, but even this is reducing and yet the belly is slowly filling out,at one point I thought the female would die like the male
from a lack of natural food.

Its very hard to pinpoint the change, if you just take the standard tests
PO4 NO3 dKH Mg Ca Ph I cant see a significant change, the tank was already quite stable.

The Ph has come down 0.2 over the test buffering with the Britewell Ph buffer did absolutely nothing to the reading simply absorbed by the system, the SeaChem Buffer had a small Ph increase 0.1 but dKH went up
so I have left this alone

I may make a bigger bottle of coral sand for the Ca reactor effluent :whistling:


No water changes, no Carbon, No Skimming which is the same actually for me, I still clean the glass however there is less growth.

If I dosed extra Bac 1 and Bac 2 I could drive down the No3 to 0
TBH at readings of 0 > 0.2 I don't see it as worth doing.:wink:

Not doing any water changes didn't sit that well with me and I have been tempted to do this, talking to the iQuatics guys they said "keep faith the whole iQuatics team don't do water changes on their tanks"

I did mix 10 Litres of water at the weekend as I sold a flame Nem the 3rd split this year which was attached to a big piece of LR, but that hardly a water change in 1,000 Ltrs

I am losing the fight to keep Goniopora corals, the others look fine and the growth has improved with the new Arcadia OT2 LED luminaire

Might even be able to sell frags, instead of buying them

The tank needs to grow out now, probably another 12 months TBH

Today's results 17-07-11

Sg 1.0265 ( intentional increase to 35 Pt salinity)
Po4 0.015
No3 1

Results 09/07/11

Sg 1.0255
Ph 7.8
dKH 11.9
Ca 445
Mg 1470
No3 2
Po4 0.03

Tank updates

Changed the Ca Medium which was getting very low swooped over from Large Coral Skeleton to Course ARM so far I can't see any difference

Added Activated Carbon "Reef Scientific" this is the first for more than 4 months, just started to see a hint of Cyno in the sump so I am assuming its organics, this is very fine carbon so the surface area must be huge
nice too see hardly any dust

Started dosing KZ AA 3 drops per week from last weekend, to see if I can get any polyp extension on the Acro's, from previous experience I know this is a powerful feed, so this is an extremely low dose

All the corals look healthy and are growing save the Red Goniopora which still declines and the new Indonesian Lobo still has to come round not inflating as i would like

as the tanks so stable splashed out on some more corals


Acro

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Pollycporia
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Pavona Clavus
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Indonesian Lobo
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getting some nice growth and colour on existing corals
a small selection :smile:

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Long Over due update

Test results since July

30-08-11
Ph 7.78 before lights
DKH 5.7 ca reactor off line no gas
Temp 27
Ca 430
Mg 1410
No3 0
Po4 0

18-09-11
SG 1026 - 34 pth ipi
KH 10.

15-10-11
SG 1026
Po4 0.03
No3 0
dKH 7
Ph 7.8
Ca 375
Mg 1470
Turned up Ca reactor to 6.5 from 6.55

23/10/11
Ca 420
dKH 10.9

12/11/11
Po4. 0
No3. 0
dKH 6.3
Ca 415
Mg 1410

I haven't had the stable dKH Ca and Mg I would have liked, due to work commitments I haven't been on top of the tank as much as normal
and twice missed the Ca reactor not working properly

First it ran out of Co2 whilst on Holliday
at this point I cleaned the Reactor and topped up with course ARM
as I couldn't get there and then course coral rubble

Then I found the previous settings needed changing Mg was going up
whilst Ca and dKH were falling, on top of this I had a blocked outlet pipe
which caused a further drop in dKH and Ca

Still the Corals are growing and colour has never been better, for sure the change to the Arcadia OT2 Led has played a big part

All through the trial I have been using Aquarium Magic

Vital Coral Eliment
Essential Coral Additive

and until 6 weeks ago

Bacteria 1 and 2, TBH on my system the Po4 and No3 wasn't an issue
the benefit I got from the bacteria was a cleaning up of the live rock and sand bed, it will be interesting to see what happens without the bacteria additives

There have also been no water changes during the trial, something I was rather concerned about

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